The time I spoke with John Sayles

I’ve been having a bit of a nostalgic week. A good friend visited who I met when I worked in film and TV production in Toronto almost 25 years ago — he’s still in production, and is soon expecting to start work with one of Canada’s greatest filmmakers. I’m thrilled for him.

It made me think of some of the interesting people I met those days. The work I did was nomadic, jumping from one MoW (Movies of the Week) to series to feature film through the course of a year. It often meant long hours and having to put up with the kind of entitled assholes who think working on a film set means you’re saving lives, but I also made some good friends, and every show delivered at least one good beer story.

I’ll never forget working with Tom Skerritt and Naomi Watts on a TV movie nobody will remember called The Hunt For The Unicorn Killer. Tom was kind and friendly, and this was a pre-Mulholland Drive Naomi — up-and-coming, but not yet a star. It was easy to tell she had the talent required for major roles, but those kinds of breakthroughs are hard to predict. It took David Lynch to give her that opportunity. Impressive lady.

In the years since, becoming a writer and radio producer, my commitment to arts journalism in multiple venues has led to interviews with a number of legendary performers and filmmakers. A career highlight was getting to speak with John Sayles.

I interviewed him in The Coast for a film called Honeydripper, which despite his doing press for the film it never opened in Halifax.

Here’s the interview, originally printed in The Coast on May 15, 2008.

Before the Coen Brothers buried alive a vengeful bar owner in Blood Simple, before Steven Soderbergh had James Spader reveal his kinks in Sex, Lies, and Videotape, even before Quentin Tarantino got a job at a video store, there was John Sayles.
The undisputed king of American independent filmmaking, Sayles has made 15 feature films without the Hollywood studios—and only one, Baby It’s You in the early ’80s, with studio financing—even though he helps pay for his own work as a writer/director/editor by penning Hollywood genre pictures. Whereas John Sayles’ films tend towards socially conscious stories of working-class Americans and their struggles—The Brother From Another PlanetMatewanEight Men OutCasa de los babys, to name a few—his Hollywood scriptwriting is quite different: PiranhaThe Howling and The Spiderwick Chronicles are among his credits. He was one of 15 writers who took a crack at The Mummy and he wrote the yet-to-be-made Jurassic Park IV. It definitely won’t be Sayles who helms the big dinosaur sequel.

“I’ve never been offered a directorial job,” he says on the phone from his office in Hoboken, New Jersey. “It’s kind of a mutual understanding that what we do they’re not interested in. And I’m really not interested in working as an employee, a user-friendly director who just casts who they say, cuts it the way they say.”
It’s an interesting dichotomy: the very humanist stories he directs and spinning up a populist horror movie or family fantasy adventure. His new film, Honeydripper, scheduled to open soon in Halifax, is set in rural Alabama in the year of Sayles’ birth, 1950, and is a quiet yarn of racial tension amid a community preparing for a wild Saturday night of music and dancing at the local bar. It stars Danny Glover as a pianist and bar owner. Though the birth of rock ‘n’ roll is something of a plot point, no one would confuse it with Step Up 2: The Streets.

“Every movie is kind of a world that you enter, that includes a rhythm,” he says. “And the rules of a comedy movie might be there’s comic violence. If you think of Raiders of the Lost Ark there’s comic violence: same director. If you think of Schindler’s List, there’s no comic violence. Part of those rules is, ‘What’s the pace of this?’ Is it more a ‘movie’ movie or is it more like people’s lives?”
Sayles has a keen ability to capture lives and eras that are not his own. Spending time visiting family in the deep south when he was a child inspired his films set in southern locales, such as earlier films Passion Fish and Lone Star—though he was born in Schenectady, New York.
“I certainly remember the cotton and the coloured drinking fountains, separate entrances,” he says. “Coming from the north it struck me because it seemed so strange. What is going on here? Right now I’m working on a novel set in 1898 to 1903 in the south, New York City and the Philippines. Some of that is having an ear and some of it is doing research. What a writer does is imagine himself into other people’s heads.”
Though he’s a legend to indie filmmakers, Sayles doesn’t receive any special consideration from financiers to help support his projects. In fact, it’s harder to make his movies now than it was 20 years ago.

“What’s happened is now there are three tiers,” says Sayles. “It’s not studio movies and independent movies. Now there are studio movies and what they call ‘specialty movies.’ And the specialty movies, some are financed from outside the studio system, but generally they’re classics divisions of the studios and their average now is $40 million, with $20 to $25 million in advertising.”
The budget of Honeydripper was closer to that of a TV movie: $5 million dollars, shot in five weeks, with about $2 million of advertising. “We’re really scrounging for money,” he says. “I don’t know if we’re going to be able to continue to make movies in the United States.”
When reminded that Canada, particularly Nova Scotia, offers very attractive tax benefits to visiting filmmakers, Sayles says, “You know, if I shoot a movie in Canada, it’ll be set in Canada. It just seems like a waste, to go to a place and not make something about the place.”
As of press time, Honeydripper’s Halifax release is indefinitely delayed.

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Carsten Knox is a massive, cheese-eating nerd. In the day he works as a journalist in Halifax, Nova Scotia. At night he stares out at the rain-slick streets, watches movies, and writes about what he's seeing.

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